tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post2182017152089691130..comments2024-02-17T00:17:30.916+13:00Comments on He Hōaka: Not my destinyKim McBreenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07472161630620747887noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-66751775937752452062011-08-04T14:53:58.437+12:002011-08-04T14:53:58.437+12:00Dear anonymous, love to hear from you, as always, ...Dear anonymous, love to hear from you, as always, and I reservedly agree with your comment. <br /><br />I maintain though, that the abusive/violent way many of the destinites behaved that day was hateful and arrogant. I can't put the blame solely on the church leadership for that, because (like you say) that would be patronising to those people who chose to behave like that. We all need to be accountable for our behaviour. What would it take for you or I to treat someone as they treated us? As if we have no mana? I don't doubt that some of those people have been treated like shit, but I don't accept that as an excuse for treating others like shit.<br /><br />I totally agree with you that the strategies of the church leadership are evil, and that they are responsible for the hatred and bullshit that they feed people. I agree that they are cynically using people to feel good about themselves.<br /><br />I also agree with what you haven't said (but I know you believe), that Destiny is appealing to so many people because of the abusiveness of our political system--the structural racism, the dismantling of whānau and of belonging. And that, ultimately, is where the solution is--rebuilding our tūrangawaewae in all senses, not fingerpointing and scapegoating.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment.xKim McBreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472161630620747887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-75823227526208885152011-06-09T00:27:10.974+12:002011-06-09T00:27:10.974+12:00Any one know what The Mana Party's saying abou...Any one know what The Mana Party's saying about sexuality's, genders, sexism and homophobia, are they saying anything? I know Mana(particularly Annett Sykes) say they are there for the poor, for the dispossessed. Many politicians make this claim, however very few as convincingly as Annett. I still can't bring myself to trust politicians because I can't think of a single one (who has had any major influenc/power) who hasn't in some way or another hugely lied too and or harmed their communities.<br /><br />Who can we trust? Metiria Turei (wish she was in Mana)? I like Potaua's run-down of different politicians and parties on Tangata Whenua, not that I agree with it all; just like reading straight up opinions about peoples character. <br /><br />Does Mana have the mana? And will Hone reply to Marty Mars with a commitment to fighting homophobia and patriarchy? - that would show true strength with humility, and heart.<br /><br />markAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-58839934273289848942011-06-08T19:02:06.257+12:002011-06-08T19:02:06.257+12:00Cool Kim. Love what you write always. Just in resp...Cool Kim. Love what you write always. Just in response to this matter though:<br /><br />"I will not forget the righteous arrogance of those Destinites who threatened, pushed, hit, spat at, and generally abused those few who dared to stand for queer solidarity that day." <br /><br />I spoke that day of the rally at Parliament. One thing I couldn't help but think that day as I rolled about was how f'n important it is to hold our 'leaders' into account. I walked amongst the masses and very few people had a clear analysis of what the actual issues were that they had had enough of. What was clear is that a majority of the peeps there were Maori and were fed up with the way they were treated in society. One person spoke to me of his fear that his 14 year old boy could now become a gay prostitute and the govt was taking his rights as a maori to go to the beach. These messages were coming from his 'leader', the less than honourable Bishop Tamaki. So, I wasn't so sad/mad at those who stood in defiance to a system that they perceived as ripping them off - I was pissed off at the packaging their leaders had wrapped their f'd up and convoluted messages in. Capitalising on the fears of a largely dispossessed mass in the name of jesus... oh, and moral and political gain. For sure you can say that I am undermining the individual intellect of those who attend the church. But really, DC is kind of like lotto on a Saturday night. It offers a glittery out of a shitty mess that a heck of a lot of people are in. It's seductive. And B B Tamaki does an awesome job of latching on to our most vulnerable and disillusioned folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-86692737609491277172011-06-08T14:46:50.922+12:002011-06-08T14:46:50.922+12:00The whole thing makes me sick. I just watched the ...The whole thing makes me sick. I just watched the news footage on Te Kaea and Te Karere, and the reporting was incredibly evasive. <br />Its nice there is some resistance and solidarity on blogs, at least! <br /><br />HanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-48987761125898601952011-06-06T22:03:36.396+12:002011-06-06T22:03:36.396+12:00@ Marty Mars--Yeah, I'm disappointed. I proba...@ Marty Mars--Yeah, I'm disappointed. I probably had unrealistically high hopes for Mana. I hoped they had the integrity to not play the politics game. To me, that means speaking the truth even (especially) when it might cost them votes--speaking the same truths in every forum. For me, Harawira's team failed their first real test. I still hope they win me over.Kim McBreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472161630620747887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-21157631583947679862011-06-06T19:51:08.559+12:002011-06-06T19:51:08.559+12:00Hi Kim - Cheers, you said it, "not everyone b...Hi Kim - Cheers, you said it, "not everyone believes that shit"; and that's what makes life good : ) markAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-14476390095130570142011-06-06T17:32:31.197+12:002011-06-06T17:32:31.197+12:00@ Mark--Thanks for your comment. I've been th...@ Mark--Thanks for your comment. I've been thinking about the kids in Destiny too. It makes me really sad and angry that by going there and not talking about sexuality, those politicians are reinforcing to those kids that anything other than strict heterosexuality and masculine/feminine gender expression is evil, or sinful, or whatever. God, I remember how terrifying and awful it was to hide who I was from everyone around me. The only good reason to speak at the Destiny forum is to let those kids know that not everyone believes that shit.Kim McBreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472161630620747887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-38936723671691887872011-06-06T14:27:09.611+12:002011-06-06T14:27:09.611+12:00I think you all miss the point because any person ...I think you all miss the point because any person or group who gives Maori politicians free time to gain votes can only be setting an example for others to follow suit. For all the "knockers" organise an open forum in whatever way you choose to support any Maori politician to change the nations future to benefit all citizens and who know they have been called by Jehovah God / Ihoa o nga Mano who wants servants who follow his leadership and no other...Nga manaakitanga ma runga ia koutou katoa i roto i te Matua, Tama, Wairua tapu me nga Anahera pono me te Mangai hei tautoko nei aianei akenei...AeMarama Waddellhttp://facebook.com/topic.php?topic=218&post=800&uidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-83999417138204344292011-06-06T00:06:15.994+12:002011-06-06T00:06:15.994+12:00I agree Kim, I'm disappointed and worried - th...I agree Kim, I'm disappointed and worried - this was the opposite of what Hone should have done which is denounce the hideous destiny and their ideals - that would have shown mana. Pandering to these bigots is wrong and dangerous - did I mention I'm worried.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20836152.post-75452061706646397372011-06-05T23:32:41.584+12:002011-06-05T23:32:41.584+12:00I was there (in queer solidarity) at the destiny m...I was there (in queer solidarity) at the destiny march you mention in this article. It made me sad and angry thinking that, out of the few hundred youth on the march, there must be dozens of queer kids trapped in a homophobic church. I was a Catholic child and hated myself for my queer thoughts and tendencies; I was a bit messed up then.<br /><br />Looking in one youngsters eyes, seven years ago, I saw more than anything else, confusion. I, really, hope someone is sending a clear message to queer Destiny kids, that God does not hate them. <br /><br />markAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com